tv State of the Union CNN November 11, 2012 6:00am-7:00am PST
appreciate it. >> thanks. >> you can always continue on twitter@rant kay cnn. state of the union with candy crowley starts right now. enjoy your sunday. today can they hear each other now? >> we can't just cut our way to prosperity. >> beating the growth of government through higher tax rates won't help us solve the problem. >> avoid aing fiscal cliff. the downfall of the cia chief and the remaining superstorm sandy. bob menendez and new york congressman peter king. then dissecting tuesday's results with california governor jerry brown. plus, cnn's dana bash looks at the grand old party and the new electral with republicans,
former democratic congress john huntsman, cathy mcmorris-rogers, carlos gutierrez, and conservative activist gary bauer. i'm candy crowley, and this is "state of the union." good morning from california. the state that led the tax cut revolution in the late 1970s, but this last tuesday voted to raise taxes. we'll talk to governor jerry brown later in the show, but, first, that fiscal cliff. those tax hikes and spending cuts scheduled take place at the end of the year unless congress acts. president obama and house speaker john boehner picked up where they left off in dualing public appearances where both sounded consillatory, but didn't seem to budge much. must add to the president's to do list one more thing. he needs a cia director after general david petraeus resigned admitting to an extramarital
affair. joining me now is robert menendez, later chairman of the house homeland security committee. good morning, senator. it's good to see you. let me start out with the petraeus matter. do you believe that this is -- leaves a big hole in military or intelligence operations or can they carry on smoothly? >> well, mike morrell, the second in charge, i think, is an excellent individual, has the president's confidence and can carry on in the interim. i don't feel general petraeus was a tremendous asset at the cia. it's unfortunate. i respect his decision under the circumstances. in the interim i believe the
agency continued to function under mr. morrell. >> what kind of holes will this leave? >> i have questions about the whole matter. first of all -- excuse me -- how something about emails went to the level of the fbi, how the fbi could have been investigating it this long, and yet, you know, general petraeus was involved, director petraeus was involved. for me if it was the fbi director had the obligation to tell the president or the national security council at the earliest state so it seems to be going on for several months and, yet, now it appears that they're saying that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus was involved. it just doesn't add up, and you have this type of investigation. the fbi investigating emails, the emails leading to the cia director and taking four months to find out that the cia director was involved. i have real questions about
this. i think a timeline has to be looked at and analyzed to see what happened. now, as far as leaving the hole, general petraeus was an outstanding general, outstanding, dedicated public official. he is going to be missed. as i'm sure senator mendez would agree, no one is irreplaceable in government, but he will have at least a short-term impact any time you lose someone like general petraeus's stature, especially under these circumstances, it does create -- again, at least a short-term gap, but, again, there are other people there who can and will definitely fill in, but i go back to the point that this just doesn't add up. the whole tileline here as to how this investigation will be your level. >>. >> i'm suggesting that the fbi move forward to say when they xwan the investigation, why it reached that level, when they
first realized that general petraeus might be involved and at the time they did realize he was involved, did they go to the white house, did they go to the national security council? obviously this was a matter involving the central compromise of security, and the president should have been told about it at the earliest state. that's really all i'm saying. how the -- what was contained in that order? when did they realize that it possibly involved the cia director? >> why the fbi was investigating the personal e-mail the head of the cia. these things don't add up particularly in the timeline. is there anything that seems fishy about this to you, about this story that we know thus far, which as far as cnn reporting goes was that the fbi was looking at this personal
e-mail. they thought perhaps there had been a breach. turns out maybe there wasn't. are you concerned about this? are there questions that you don't have the answers to? >> well, candy, i didn't quite hear what my colleague peter king said, but from all the published accounts so far, and we'll get to some hearings i believe this week -- from all the published accounts it seems that the chain of events is pretty clear. there was a threat by one individual against another. that individual went to the fbi in the pursuit of that review of that threat. they came upon access to emails this individual, and their concern that maybe his personal e-mails had been hacked and, therefore, the possibility of a security threat, and i think if that is the sequence of events, that's perfectly understandable. jim clapper and petraeus, and
there was a decision by general petraeus that it was in his best interest of himself, the agency, and his family to resign. so unless something else comes out, i think it's pretty clear i don't see a conspiracy behind every curtain, assuming my colleagues do. >> okay. senator, let me turn to the so-called fiscal cliff talking about what just happened in the electrics. as far as you're concerned, is there a mandate that came out of this election that taxes should be raised on the wealthy. that seems to be what democrats are arguing. number one is the electorate wants us to work together. democrats and republicans alike. it's also very clear that the president made us a central theme of this campaign that he would not let the middle class and those struggling to get into the middle class working families to bear the brunt of all the fiscal challenges moving
forward. and to ask those who have wealth in our country to help their country at this time by foregoing the tax breaks they got and the lowest tax rates in 30 years. i think that that's pretty clear. and so notwithstanding that, i think if you heard both the president and the speaker, they paukd about new revenues, and how you acquire new revenues can be determined by a variety of ways. by what baseline you use, by, many of the closing tax loopholes. there's definitely room here, but i hi that the president has a very clear mandate. he made it a central tenant of his election. people of this country feel he gave him a resounding victory on election day. >> let me bring congressman king in. congressman, the senator says --
as far as the republicans on the house side look at this do you think that there loss some room there that is necessitated by the fact that republicans pretty much got clocked in the elections. is there a message there for you all? >> i can't hear anything senator menendez is saying, so i'm relying on your interpretation of it. as far as congress -- republicans feel strongly that tax rates should not be increased. having said that, john boehner, speaker boehner, has shown his willingness to work out an agreement here. that can be done by affecting deductions, loopholes that would include those in the upper brackets so that the president could get the revenue that he says he is looking for, but it would be done in a way that tax rates are not increased. therefore, we believe that would
not slow economic growth. i think there's enough on the table if both sides want an agreement, i think john boehner has put enough on the table that an agreement can be reached, and as far as republicans getting clocked in the last election, the fact is we still have a very large majority in the house of representatives, so it could be said that while president obama won and he did win, the fact is in the congress the american people have returned a republican house of representatives so we also have, if you want to call it a mandate. i don't like to use that terminology, but i think if there's any mandate it's to try to reach common ground, and i think speaker boehner has put enough on the table that a real compromise can be reached. >> okay, gentlemen. i want to ask you both to stand by. when we come back, patience is thin and tempers are flaring on long island, new york. >> what do we want? we want power. when do we want it? we want it now. what do we want? >> power. >> when do we want it? >> now. that's a few names longer.
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minutes i wanted to ask you about the recovery efforts after superstorm sandy. first to you, senator menendez. what is the situation now in new jersey? i know you still have some folks out of power. what do you most need to do next? >> well, i think candy that by tomorrow there will be a certain sense of normalcy again in the state. there might be some pockets, but what the biggest challenge is certainly down the shore area of new jersey and central new jersey a tremendous challenge to families there. a lot of people who don't have a home to go back to, a lot of property destroyed. housing is a big issue. we need to focus on those that don't have family to stay with in the interim, and the next
issue in addition to housing is getting the rest of the power on. i think most of that will be accomplished, hopeful by the end of the day, early tomorrow, and then the next thing is reconstruction, and that's a long-term proposition. >> it is, indeed. just seeing that damage. you know this will be years before the jersey shore looks like the jersey shore that we all know. congressman king, to you. i know you have had some frustration particularly with the power problems still ongoing in parts of new york. >> long island is my district, and it's been devastated. we still have more than 100,000 customers that do not have power. there's no timeline as to when they're going to get it. there are whole communities, thousands of people that are going to be homeless, and the devastation is enormous. i have asked the president if he could send in more members of the army core of engineers and more fema workers and people from the energy department because the long island public
authority has failed miserably. they are not doing their job or communicating with the people. i hope to set up a federal intra structure led by the army corps of engineers that would have a comprehensive plan which they would be required to follow. it's an absolute disgrace. we're now two weeks into the storm, and there's still over 100,000 people without power, and with no real estimate as to when they're going to get back, getting misleading information, getting distorted information. just yesterday they told people they needed contractor's approval. they said that wasn't enough. it really has reached crisis proportions of a public health dimension in suffolk county, on the south shore in particular, and lipa is absolutely act says disgracefully, and that's why i'm asking the president whatever assistance he can give, not just for personnel, but farce trying to come up with a comprehensive plan that will knock l.i.s.a. into shape. >> congressman peter king, we wish you well.
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former congressman tom davis, a republican, took a look at his party's failure to win the white house and noted, "there are just not enough old white guys around." this is known as the demographics problem as observed more delicately by other republican party faithful. >> you see a significant gap, of course, with hispanic and latino voters, with women voters, with blue collar voters. >> hispanics are a growing portion of the voting public. 10% this year. but they are a shrinking part of the republican party. in 2004 george w. bush got 44% of the latino vote. four years later john mccain got 31%. now 27% for mitt romney. to be steadily losing votes in an expanding demographic is a recipe for failure. florida senator marco rubio, the son of cuban immigrants and a republican suggests the problem
is both substantive. >> it's hard to make an argument to people that think that you want to deport their grandmother. >> decisive in 2012. 53% of the votes this year were cast by women who favored president obama by ten points. >> my wife is a democrat, and she was so close to voting for mitt romney, but then, you know, murdock and akin opened their mouths, and we sent them running back to the democratic party because they think we're nut where i. >> actually, married women tended favor mitt romney, but single women, a growing part of the population, went 3-1 for the president. >> i have just called president obama to congratulate him on his victory. >> republicans have two years until the midterm to try to shed a little of the old off the grand old party and reach out to a quickly changing american demographic. they do not lack for suggestions. >> my ideal republican party would be republican party that
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>> maybe a couple -- >> thanks, candy. >> it's great to be here with all of you. >> i would lay the blame squarely on the far right wing of the republican party. >> governor. >> no vision. without a clear vision for the future, you can't rally people of all backgrounds. >> i think that was a shot at you. >> i was going to say i think it's due at least in part to folks in our party that seem intent on attacking the fact that we're the conservative party in the united states. >> what i saw largely was a status quo election. the voters decided keep things basically the same with the republicans m majority in the house and the democrats with the presidency in the senate, but they also recognize both parties have something very important to offer. >> mr. secretary, since you said something very provocative as a republican to go after the right wing as you put it of your party, i want to put up
something that mr. bauer said earlier this week. he said romney was pro-life and pro-family, but i don't think we really engaged in the ad war on those issues, and i think if we would have engaged instead of being forced to be on the defensive, i still think we would have gotten many, many more of what used to be reagan democrats. you argue that there wasn't enough discussion on social issues. >> well, look, i think ronald reagan defined our party and the road to success for our party. on economics, smaller bovt, lower taxes. on foreign policy, a confident foreign policy that is on the side of freedom around the world. the other ingredient he brought is the values issues, and that's where we got millions of midwestern and southern evangelicals, catholics, et cetera, to leave the party of their birth, the party of their families and become republicans, and i think if those issues had been engaged -- not saying the campaign should have been run on them.
>> well, when we're talking about the party -- when we're talking about america, so in a race of all people in art tick las vegas of the vision, peel don't want to be lectured to. they want to live their lives. they want an economy that works. they want jobs and opportunities, schools that educate the next generation, and then want to be left alone, and the sooner that we as a party can get around that and start preparing for the 21st century, which is really the discussion that we need to have, how you prepare for the most competitive years ahead in a highly competitive world. >> to be more libertarian. is that what you believe on social issues? >> yes. i think the party is truly the party of growth and prosperity, and that's where you get into things like immigration. if we want to be the party of growth and prosperity, we have to be the party of immigration,
so we should be leading comprehensive immigration reform. we should be leading the dream act. not the military dream act. students as well. we should be getting rid of things like fwlish as the official language of government. we have to be welcoming immigrants. this is like we're competing for investment capital. we're also competing for human capital, and our party is scaring the heck out of them. >> 75% of the american people believe that english, sir, is the language of the united states. i don't understand why you would jettison -- any idea that somehow that's going to get you votes, but second of all, there's no yearning by the american people for a second pro-abortion party. i mean, we've already got one of those. it's the most extremist party -- >> just one second because i want to get the congresswoman in here, and i want to show you all and our viewers some images of the republican party, particularly on capitol hill, where you are. first of all, the image of the senate republican leadership. you see that?
on the left white men. on the right all white men except you can see congresswoman you can see you in the back there. the only woman in republican leadership. that is the image right now with mitt romney not winning of the leadership of the republican party right now. is that appropriate? >> well, i don't think it's about the republican party needing to become more moderate. i really believe it's the republican party becoming more modern, and whether it's hispanics, whether it's women, whether it's young people, the republican party has to make it a priority to take our values, take our vision to every corner of this country, to every demographic group, and i am confident that we can do it. when you look at the exit polls, they were with us. for women the top issues came back to the economy and jobs, and those are the issues that were on the voters' minds, and i think it's more about the messengers and who is communicating our values to every corner in this country. >> can i just say i think that the idea of moderate and modern
are -- is a difference without a distinction because in order to be modern in 21st century, we cannot be extreme right. >> well, it's not about changing our values and our principles, though. it is about bringing them so people understand them and it makes us strong. >> we have to talk about the values and principles. as a father of seven, married for 30 years, people can see the way i live my life. i don't need to sit there and rub it in people's faces, for heaven's sake. what we need to do -- >> who rubs them in somebody's faces? >> the discussion that this nation wants to have is about solutions. it's not about right. it's not about left. it's not about moderates. it's about solutions to problems that are insolvable these days because we have a congress that can't seem to get their act together. the sooner that we as a party get around to finding pragmatic solutions and moving us forward economically and from a foreign policy standpoint and recognizing the cultural and demographic shifts that are -- >> i'm glad you brought that up. let's talk about the demographic
shifts and this is specifically i know you want to address, mr. secretary. let's look at just the overall latino vote starting with george w. bush, the man you work for. he got 44% of the latino vote. john mccain in 2008 got 31%. mitt romney last tuesday got 27%. a precipitous tropical. i just want to continue on this. let's focus in on a couple of the key battleground states. florida, in 200814% overall of the latino vote. in 201217%. colorado, sorry, we have a different one up there. let me go to this. romney, this is very important, 39%. obama 42%. this is latino vote in the state of florida. colorado, look at that difference. mitt romney 23%. barack obama 38%. republicans are simply not doing well. when i started to talk about this before it's that the percentage of the latino vote is going up in those states. >> as i talked to latinos, the insight that i got was that
latinos were scared. you know, it wasn't the economy and -- they were scared of the republican party, and i think fear is what did us in. people were scared of people like todd akin kin. they were scared of richard murdock. they were scared of the anti-immigration talk. it's almost as if we're living in the past. >> i want you to listen to mitt romney himself during the republican primary. you were at this debate, i believe, governor, where he was talking about the latinos and immigration. >> then they're going to find they can't get work here, and if people don't get work here, they're going to self-deport to a place they can get work. >> self-deport is not the kind of term that is -- when you talk about the tone that draws people
in. >> they need to know we care and we care about immigration. >> you believe we are? >> yes, i believe we are. i'm pro-immigration. >> well, you are. >> the values -- we have the republican share fundamental values that are in common with the hispanics, and we have -- i believe part of it is putting forward some of the hispanics that are in our party, the marco rubio's and making sure that that face is there. >> there's been research done among hispanic voters about what motivates them on issues. only about 10% of hispanics cite issues like amnesty and immigration issues and policies as what drives their vote. first of all -- well, let me finish the thought. the research also shows that hispanics are overwhelmingly pro-life and pro-family. you are suggesting if we drop issues that we might have the best chance to appeal to those voters. >> i haven't talked about those issues. what i'm saying is that the hispanics i know were scared of
the republican party. >> do you think that had anything to do with an ad campaign of a president that stoked fear in all kinds of voting blocks? >> i think it has to do with our incredibly ridiculous primary process where we force people to say outrageous things. they get nominated. and then they have to come back. >> you were the liaison for the latino community for mitt romney. he was the one who used the term self-deportation. >> mitt romney made some mistakes. i think he is an extraordinary man, and i think he would have made an extraordinary candidate. i think mitt romney's comments is a symptom. i think the disease is the fact that the far right of the party controls the primary process. >> when you say that what would bring us all together and gary and i work for a great president, ronald reagan. he used language that people could connect with. words matter. the way that you art late the sometimes sensitive issues really does matter. there's a certain chemistry
involved in a campaign, and we haven't been able to find the elements of that chemistry to get it right in recent elections. the republican party i think owns the big issues of the day. we have to be bold. we have to be confident. if we spent as much time talking about solutions in the future as we did the president's birth certificate, for heaven sake, we probably would have won the darn election. >> candy started with the problem. i want to do a lightning resigned in a couple of words what you think is the solution. >> i think we saw in the house the republicans kept the majority. we had been bold. we have been putting forward our solutions, whether it was on the economy, the fiscal cliff, how to get americans back to work. we had been putting that forward, and we got re-elected. >> america is not demanding a second liberal party. they've already got a liberal party, if that's what you believe. the republican party should be bold and confident, and its conservative values from economics to foreign policy to values. >> get our economic house in order and stay out of people's lives beyond. >> we need to stand for growth, for prosperity, for jobs, for
entrepreneurship, for innovation, for dreaming for a better life, and, therefore, we need to lead to welcome immigrants. just one more thing. english is the national language of the united states, but the official language of government is a silly, ridiculous thing in the 21st century. >> fascinating. thank you. all of you, candy, certainly missed you here. that's for sure. >> you all make me sorry -- you make me sorry i'm not there. what a great conversation. carlos gutierrez, john huntsman, gary bauer -- my thanks to my colleague dana bash. california's governor jerry brown, he knows a thing or two about political resurrection. we talked tacks, mandates, and marijuana next. [ man ] in hong kong, on my way to the board meeting...
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california's democratic voters mirror the coalition that powered president obama to a second term last tuesday. i spoke with governor jerry brown about the election results, his push for tax hikes, and the democratic party's hold on state politics. thank you so much for joining us this sunday after election day. let's start at the national level. everybody has had their shot at interpreting what went on. what do you think the presidential election told us? >> for better or worse, romney did symbolize the well-born, the privileged. i could have sold him as a latter day tom duehy who looked like he had a lot going for him, but at the end of the day harry truman had the common man, had the common touch, and i think barack obama was closer to the center of american political thinking than the republicans.
>> and that goes along with some of the polling that we've seen where mitt romney and president obama were about even and sometimes mitt romney led when you asked who has the best plan for the economy, but when you said who best understands people like you, president obama was always sort of, you know, out ran, out paced mitt romney for that. the question is when you look four years from now, when you don't have a president obama on the ticket, is this a certain coalition for democrats? >> i think so. if you look at the majorities of hispanic voters, african-american voters, asian voters, younger voters, the future is with a politics that has government more responsive to the average person and not buying this politics of the market over all. it's an ideology that may play well in the pages of the "wall street journal" or in board rooms or in corporate retreats, but in mainstream america it's
increasingly out of touch. >> so let me move you on to what happened here in california. you got voters to agree to tax hikes for the wealthy. temporary tax hikes for the wealthy. you've got them to agree to a quarter cent increase in sales taxes. california was the start of the tax cut sweep. do you think california is the start of a tax increase sweep? >> yeah. i do. i was here in 1978 when howard jarvis beat the entire establishment republican and democrat, because the property taxes had just gotten out of control. now the cutting and the deficits are out of control. our financial health, our credibility as a governing -- as a nation that can govern itself is on the chopping block, and, yes, cuts going forward of certain commitments the country has made has to be -- revenue
means taxes, and certainly those who have been blessed the most, who have disproportionately extracted more and more from the national wealth, they're going to have to share more of that and everyone will are to realize that building roads is important. investing in schools is important. paying for national defense is important. biomedical research is important. the space program is an indicator of the world leader. all that takes money. it's not all going to come out of wall street or out of your local department store. it requires the people through their collective institution called government to make a greater commitment, and i think they're ready to do it. >> and, yet, we do have states, as you know, with governors like kasic and walker, mcdonnell, who have actually done sort of the opposite and have had fairly healthy economies. >> well, first of all, taxes going up a little bit or taxes going down in the short-term
doesn't affect the economy. california has almost a $2 trillion economy, so a tax increase of $6 billion or $7 billion is not even felt by the total economy. nevertheless, the growing gap, which is then resulting in necessitating more and more borrowing can't be sustained. we have to either cut back more or create a balance of revenue and spending reductions, and i think -- i can tell you in california, you can only cut schools and university so much and then people say enough already, and that's exactly what they said on election night tuesday. >> and you see that having a national implication? >> yes, because i think schools and universities are not partisan issues. what kind of a hospital situation you have in local cities and counties. everything worked -- when government gets excessive, yeah, people want to pull it back. that was the tax revolt.
but when the private sector begins to, you know, have more and more and the public sector is starved, people know that. it's commonsense. you need it's not is the left rr is the right right. each according to its due. if i can quote a biblical text. render what is god's and what is caesars. the people neat something and they need a great deal of their own money too. but you have to have balance. without a balance, you run the difficulties where the whole country breaks down for lack of common commitment. and after all, that's what our public institutions represent. >> and do you see yourself supporting any further tax increases? business property tax increases has come up, as you know, because of previous initiatives on the ballot. they have not risen. do you see the need for further tax increases? >> no, i don't see that need
because i've looked at the budget gap, and this tarks, which will be over the next seven years, if we legislate it right and we get a decent recovery, we will not only have a balanced budget, ke can meet our major responsibilities. but in the desires are endless and legislative proposals no know limits. so the stack of possible spending bills is countless. and as the buddhists say desires are endless, i vow to cut them down. legislative ideas are endless and we'll have to cut a few of them down. >> let me ask you about the legalization of marijuana. do you think it's time for the federal government, the justice department to declassify
marijuana as a category 1? >> i would say this. it's time for the justice department to recognize the sovereignty of the states. california has a medicinal marijuana law. other states have passed some others. >> recreational. >> we have a laboratory of democracy. we don't always agree with the states. some states have capital punishment, some don't. some have legalized recreational use of marijuana and some states me did nal. i believe the justice department ought to respect the will of the separate states. >> in other words, no federal prosecution since it is a federal drug law of those who have legalized small amounts of marijuana. >> i think the federal law can maintain but it shouldn't try to nullify reasonable state measures. i'm not saying the state can do anything they want, but the measures that have been adopted so far have been after vigorous
deba debate. in fact. there's been a mann legalization that's been rejektded. we don't need some federal person to come in and tell us what to. do i believe commonty, decent respect. >> careful. you might sound like a republican with the states rights thing. >> there's a logic to it because i know of the whole manner of slavery and segregation, we move to a more centralized state but there's something called sub sidarity. that is move it closest to the people and think that's a very important principle, but consistent with fundamental human rights. >> and if you see feds back off as it apply s ies to the two st, is that something you're
prepared to bring up again? >> i'm not going to bring it up. we already have a fair amount of use of marijuana in the guise of medical marijuana and there's abuses in that field. and as governor, i review paroles for those sentenced for murder and i have to review the paroles and i review hundreds of them. and so many of them start with drugs, with marijuana, with alcohol, when they're 12, when they're 15. it's dangerous. people should not in any way take lightly the power of chemicals, whether it be cannabis or something stronger to affect the human mind in a way that really makes desperate people far more desperate. >> the 2016 race already. that's next. if you are one of the millions of men
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